Bush Vs. Obama – Who Spent The Most

how many have dies in the drone strikes?

show me the proof

still didn't answer thew question, and the tax cuts were for everybody dude

Jack Boardman facts and liberal should never be used in the same sentence

i find something wrong with hisa policies. to say i am racist because i don't like his policies is racist in itself, my dear

i beg your pardon. when did it become racist to disagree with someones policies? you liberals always play the race card becuase you have no facts to support your argument

that was easy becuse he hasn't done anything but flip flop and get us into mountains of debt- wheres the jobs?

why do you think most people in AZ hate black people?- that ia a pretty wide brush you are using- could it be the obvious chip you have on your shoulder?

you sir, are an idiot- whty does his religion matter?

no, LKBJ actually said- we will have tose niggers voting democratic for 200 years and civil rights legislation would never have passed if not for republicans- it was the democrats that filibustered it- get your facts right before you start you demagoguing- racism is often used by liberals as a last resort- is that what you are attempting to do?

the stats are bogus

Thomas O'Hara Figures you're stillin fucking HS. I've been through a war. So do something for your country!

Oh my God! You don't believe the lies do you? You NEVER EVER start a war without raising taxes or selling war bonds. You don't give no bid contracts to your buds!

Halliburton and some undercover names for same owners have made BILLIONS! You dig deep enough the same guys making Billions During Reagan years are still making Billions off the backs of taxpayers. Not tax hiders! Dig deeper it starts with oil company owners…………..I saw huge crates of csh go to Iraq in Cargo planes, let us find out who got the cash?

Thomas Cincotta< Wow, now that is a very interesting conception. If a surplus is inherited, as was with the case of Bush vs. Clinton, then shouldn't Bush have a boost in his first term economy? And, if that be the cases why would you expect that Pres. Obama would NOT have a boost in his first 100 DAYS of a first term in which he inherited a massive DEFICIT, OR DEBT?

Bush spent way more.

I think we can save a lot of time and just go straight to the old Ronald Reagan line, "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" I know I am not.

Obama never said he would work WITH anyone AFAIK. As for experience, he was MY state senator and never stood out. He got elected to Congress, gave that speech at the DNC for Kerry in 2004, got famous from it, ran for President in 2008, and the rest is history. I am sorry, but being a former community organizer really isn't sufficient.

On the NPP, Obama didn't have to accept it. As I recall during his speech for it, he did mention he was surprised to win it. Well duh! He had done nothing to win it other than being the first dark-skinned President of the USA. I can't say African American as he isn't really (white Mom/black Dad). I really wish Colin Powell would have run instead of McCain. That would have been a great achievement for the Black community. I think he would have made a fine President.

Anyway, Obama now has 4 years of experience as President, but not as being a good President. History will remember him for being the first dark-skinned President, Obamacare, bailing out GM and Chrysler, and the financial chaos.

Lastly, don't forget that when Obama was elected that he had a Democrat-controlled Congress. He should have been able to get more of his goals done, but that didn't happen. The only goal of his that really got through was Obamacare which I think most people thought would be free healthcare for all at the time. Now we all now it is just a bunch of new taxes.

I think we can save a lot of time and just go straight to the old Ronald Reagan line, "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" I know I am not.

Obama never said he would work WITH anyone AFAIK. As for experience, he was MY state senator and never stood out. He got elected to Congress, gave that speech at the DNC for Kerry in 2004, got famous from it, ran for President in 2008, and the rest is history. I am sorry, but being a former community organizer really isn't sufficient.

On the NPP, Obama didn't have to accept it. As I recall during his speech for it, he did mention he was surprised to win it. Well duh! He had done nothing to win it other than being the first dark-skinned President of the USA. I can't say African American as he isn't really (white Mom/black Dad). I really wish Colin Powell would have run instead of McCain. That would have been a great achievement for the Black community. I think he would have made a fine President.

Anyway, Obama now has 4 years of experience as President, but not as being a good President. History will remember him for being the first dark-skinned President, Obamacare, bailing out GM and Chrysler, and the financial chaos.

Lastly, don't forget that when Obama was elected that he had a Democrat-controlled Congress. He should have been able to get more of his goals done, but that didn't happen. The only goal of his that really got through was Obamacare which I think most people thought would be free healthcare for all at the time. Now we all now it is just a bunch of new taxes.

You are a great Debater, Norvin and I will go just this one more round with you. I am not demeaning you or anything you are saying. I do not think that you are "dumb" nor am I trying to go "one up" on or with you. I just want you and anyone that maybe "friendly" looking on an paying attention to realize that Mitt Romney has not said or done anything that Barack Obama said or did in his 2008 campaign.

>As Romney said in his closing statement tonight, "I'll work WITH you."

Every candidate for every political office or Public employment has said "I'll work WITH you" Every dictator and every coniving con man has said "I'll work FOR you". What would you expect them to say; " I'am going to bleed you dry"?

>Of the three Presidential Debates, it constantly seems to me that Romney has an actual plan to get us back on the right track.

I ask you; What are they? Romney has not told us. All Romney or Ryan have said is: "WE HAVE A PLAN". Obama had a "Plan" in 2008; It may have only been in his mind, but Norvin, face it, We All have plans. Whether or not we succeed in FULFILLING those plans depends upon circumstances, opportunity, obstructions, and or resources. Have you accomplished and fulfilled every plan that you have conceived in your mind? Think about what I am saying, I believe I sense what you feel, but look at reality.

>Other than the on-the-job training Obama has gained by being President these last 4 years, he had no experience going in.

If Obama had experience going in, why would he need On Job Training? Does Mitt Romney have any experience "going in" at BEING President. At the least as you said, Obama NOW has, {experience at being President} and also has the circumstance, opportunity, barring obstruction and the resourses {4 more years} to correct, restore, and succeed; in the IMPLEMENTING of his original Plans. Romney for all intent and purposes can only START laying out his plan if elected in 2013; and begin treading the same path that Obama did in 2009. If President Barack Obama is re-elected; he can not run again. But if Mitt Romney is ELECTED, and by some act of fate, he fails, we will be back into this debate once again in 4 more years.

Finally Don't you think that your comment regarding the award of the Nobel Prize might have been, not so much unfavorable to Barack Obama, to say that he did NOTHING to earn it? But rather could be construed as being a "slap in the face" of those who awarded it?

You are a great Debater, Norvin and I will go just this one more round with you. I am not demeaning you or anything you are saying. I do not think that you are "dumb" nor am I trying to go "one up" on or with you. I just want you and anyone that maybe "friendly" looking on an paying attention to realize that Mitt Romney has not said or done anything that Barack Obama said or did in his 2008 campaign.

As Romney said in his closing statement tonight, "I'll work WITH you."

Every candidate for every political office or Public employment has said "I'll work WITH you" Every dictator and every coniving con man has said "I'll work FOR you". What would you expect them to say; I'am going to bleed you dry"?

Of the three Presidential Debates, it constantly seems to me that Romney has an actual plan to get us back on the right track. I ask you What are they? Romney has not told us. All Romney or Ryan have said is: "WE HAVE A PLAN". Obama had a "Plan" in 2008; It may have only been in his mind, but Norvin, face it, We All have plans. Whether or not we succeed in FULFILLING those plans depends upon circumstanced, opportunity, obstructions, and or resources. Have you accomplished and fulfilled every plan that you have conceived in your mind? Think about what I am saying, I sense what you feel, but look at reality.

Other than the on-the-job training Obama has gained by being President these last 4 years, he had no experience going in. If Obama had experience going in, why would he need On Job Training? Does Mitt Romney have any experience "going in" at BEING President. At the least as you said, Obama NOW has, and also has the circumstance, opportunity, barring obstruction and the resourses {4 more years} to correct, restore, and succeed in the IMPLEMENTING of his original Plans. Romney for all intent and purposes can only start laying out his plan if elected in 2013 and begin treading the same path that Obama did in 2009. Finally Don't you think that your comment regarding the award of the Nobel Prize might have been not so much unfavorable to Barack Obama, to say that he did NOTHING to earn it, but rather could be construed as a "slap in the face" of those who awarded it?

You are a great Debater, Norvin and I will go just this one more round with you. I am not demeaning you or anything you are saying. I do not think that you are "dumb" nor am I trying to go "one up" on or with you. I just want you and anyone that maybe "friendly" looking on an paying attention to realize that Mitt Romney has not said or done anything that Barack Obama said or did in his 2008 campaign.

As Romney said in his closing statement tonight, "I'll work WITH you."

Every candidate for every political office or Public employment has said "I'll work WITH you" Every dictator and every coniving con man has said "I'll work FOR you". What would you expect them to say; I'am going to bleed you dry"?

Of the three Presidential Debates, it constantly seems to me that Romney has an actual plan to get us back on the right track. I ask you What are they? Romney has not told us. All Romney or Ryan have said is: "WE HAVE A PLAN". Obama had a "Plan" in 2008; It may have only been in his mind, but Norvin, face it, We All have plans. Whether or not we succeed in FULFILLING those plans depends upon circumstanced, opportunity, obstructions, and or resources. Have you accomplished and fulfilled every plan that you have conceived in your mind? Think about what I am saying, I sense what you feel, but look at reality.

Other than the on-the-job training Obama has gained by being President these last 4 years, he had no experience going in. If Obama had experience going in, why would he need On Job Training? Does Mitt Romney have any experience "going in" at BEING President. At the least as you said, Obama NOW has, and also has the circumstance, opportunity, barring obstruction and the resourses {4 more years} to correct, restore, and succeed in the IMPLEMENTING of his original Plans. Romney for all intent and purposes can only start laying out his plan if elected in 2013 and begin treading the same path that Obama did in 2009. Finally Don't you think that your comment regarding the award of the Nobel Prize might have been not so much unfavorable to Barack Obama, to say that he did NOTHING to earn it, but rather could be construed as a "slap in the face" of those who awarded it?

The public debt is just that; public. I think a lot of people forget that we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. We elect people to represent us. We do not directly make policy. That would be a big mess, lol.

It is undeniable Obama has done dumb things to increase it such as bailing out GM and Chrysler and making bad investments into companies. Personally, I think on top of church and state being separate that business and state should also do the same other than the government placing policies to keep consumers safe.

Of the three Presidential Debates, it constantly seems to me that Romney has an actual plan to get us back on the right track. I doubt he would be able to make the public debt go away, but I am hopeful he can lower it. As Romney said in his closing statement tonight, "I'll work WITH you."

Other than the on-the-job training Obama has gained by being President these last 4 years, he had no experience going in. Romney has the experiences needed to be a good President such as being a successful businessman and a well-liked Governor. Every one of our current problems comes back to this; our economy. And the economy has become worse these last 4 years. When people have less money to spend then they buy less. It hurts us ALL.

It still astounds me Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize. He did NOTHING to deserve it and, as time has shown us, he has gotten us into new wars. I am not a racist, but it is my opinion Obama won the NPP and the Presidency simply because he is half-Black and speaks well with a teleprompter.

The public debt is just that; public. I think a lot of people forget that we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. We elect people to represent us. We do not directly make policy. That would be a big mess, lol.

It is undeniable Obama has done dumb things to increase it such as bailing out GM and Chrysler and making bad investments into companies. Personally, I think on top of church and state being separate that business and state should also do the same other than the government placing policies to keep consumers safe.

Of the three Presidential Debates, it constantly seems to me that Romney has an actual plan to get us back on the right track. I doubt he would be able to make the public debt go away, but I am hopeful he can lower it. As Romney said in his closing statement tonight, "I'll work WITH you."

Other than the on-the-job training Obama has gained by being President these last 4 years, he had no experience going in. Romney has the experiences needed to be a good President such as being a successful businessman and a well-liked Governor. Every one of our current problems comes back to this; our economy. And the economy has become worse these last 4 years. When people have less money to spend then they buy less. It hurts us ALL.

It still astounds me Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize. He did NOTHING to deserve it and, as time has shown us, he has gotten us into new wars. I am not a racist, but it is my opinion Obama won the NPP and the Presidency simply because he is half-Black and speaks well with a teleprompter.

That was a hypothetical Norvin my error was capitalizing "your" the point was that if you start out with a negative balance, anything added to it would continue to be negative. If (a person) is concerned about their domestic assets, they tend to increase with necessity. The President spends according to the needs of the country which is a resposibility. The only difference in the budget of the President and the budget of a householder is the amout of zeroes at the end of the dollar sign . Sure Obama made predictions and promises, so did Romney during the debate. Do you think that Romney could accomplish everything he promises to do in less time than Obama had? That was the jist of my comment. It had nothing at all to do with your credit card. Barack Obama had every right to BELIEVE he would accomplish his goals. Like someone said to me, It is hard to determine the tone of a statement made in this type of format. Everyone that posts is not griping. Some are just commenting and sharing opinion and making examples. and BTW my example may not change the fact that the "public debt is now $16.2 trillion under Obama when he started with a public debt of $10 trillion." but ist sure does explain the mechanics of why it is and if Romney becomes President it will become his deficit. Will he have the ability to handle it any better?

That was a hypothetical Norvin my error was capitalizing "your" the point was that if you start out with a negative balance, anything added to it would continue to be negative. If (a person) is concerned about their domestic assets, they tend to increase with necessity. The President spends according to the needs of the country which is a resposibility. The only difference in the budget of the President and the budget of a householder is the amout of zeroes at the end of the dollar sign . Sure Obama made predictions and promises, so did Romney during the debate. Do you think that Romney could accomplish everything he promises to do in less time than Obama had? That was the jist of my comment. It had nothing at all to do with your credit card. Barack Obama had every right to BELIEVE he would accomplish his goals. Like someone said to me, It is hard to determine the tone of a statement made in this type of format. Everyone that posts is not griping. Some are just commenting and sharing opinion and making examples. and BTW my example may not change the fact that the "public debt is now $16.2 trillion under Obama when he started with a public debt of $10 trillion." but ist sure does explain the mechanics of why it is and if Romney becomes President it will become his deficit. Will he have the ability to handle it any better?

MY credit has nothing to do with this Donald Logan. Thankfully I take responsibility with my spending habits and use an actual budget. This still doesn't change the fact that the public debt is now $16.2 trillion under Obama when he started with a public debt of $10 trillion. A 62% increase by one President in one term is astounding! From 2001-2008 under Bush, it went up $4 trillion. I really hope Romney gets elected and starts the long process of getting this under control. It will take decades for our country to get out of the hole.

MY credit has nothing to do with this Donald Logan. Thankfully I take responsibility with my spending habits and use an actual budget. This still doesn't change the fact that the public debt is now $16.2 trillion under Obama when he started with a public debt of $10 trillion. A 62% increase by one President in one term is astounding! From 2001-2008 under Bush, it went up $4 trillion. I really hope Romney gets elected and starts the long process of getting this under control. It will take decades for our country to get out of the hole.

Belittling a black woman for being part of the GOP is not racism. Would it be racism if I thought it odd a black woman would seek inclusion in the KKK? During the Lincoln era Democrats were racist and the KKK was an anti-republican party (as Lincoln was the first Republican president.) LBJ was considered a turncoat for his hard-line abolition of Jim Crow which lead to the demise of the "Democratic South" Through the 1960s the South typically voted Democratically, but the Civil Rights Act dramatically realigned allegiances. Just before signing the bill, President Lyndon Johnson said, “I think we have just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.” The success of civil rights legislation alienated Southern Democrats who felt the party no longer supported their interests; the South quickly became a Republican-dominated region while Democrats congregated in the North. Currently, there are zero Republican congressmen from the New England states, and the South is similarly low on Democrats. Thomas O'hara is clearly a bigot as he cannot articulate anything but hatred and name-calling…if pressed he will spew Sean Hannit. D.J. Starr needs to reconsider what racism is!

I agree that "Comparing a former 2-term President's total spending to one still in his first and possibly only term whose spending is not complete doesn't seem to be a fair comparison." But; Norvin Adams III: I also hear the SUBTLE. tongue in cheek, enuendo and subliminal suggestion "and possibly only term" …and that definitely is not fair.

Norvin Adams III:
Just suppose YOUR credit card had an unpaid balance of $2,000.00 at the first of the year, 2012. On March 1st, you purchased a $5,000.00 Automobile and on June 1st, you added a Mortgage of $100,000.00 and placed it all on that same Credit Card. How would you be in any different predicament than a President raising the "Deficit on hand" for the Country? (in only six months).

When it comes to computer savvy; is anyone familiar with the saying "GIGO"? Garbage in, garbage out. Program a computer to tally every time "A" gets one vote attach two votes to "C" what do you think will occur? If A and C; are the only contestants C would win 2-1. If there are 4 candidates in the race the deception will never be detected if B and D receive one vote each. So, let us add one more candidate and tell the computer each time B gets one vote attach one vote to A, then of course that would decrease the margin of votes for C. Even if my math is off, my point is that it is not how many votes are cast by the electors, but how accurately and fair the tabulators are. Early voting one month in advance of elections really scare me. When we hear of registration and absentee ballots being "misplaced" or discarded, uncounted and rejected, I have to ask how long ago has it been when we have had a truely honest and straight forward Presidential election? Don't you sincerely believe that one week early/advanced voting is sufficient. I realize the population of America has grown since the election of Abraham Lincoln, and the Whigs, Republican and G.O.P. is not as large as it supposes, but we should not be electing Democrats or Republican, we should be electing PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! (UNDER GOD).

D.J. Starr; On second thought {upon resting my case} with the exception of Gore having " privately" conceded the election to Bush, {how private was that concession, I do not recall hearing it} how does that negate my contention that it was the acceptance of "exit polling" that swayed the populus and caused the tv viewers to endure early predictions as official election results before the votes were completely tallied? If the popular vote can be subjected to the electoral college, from that point until this day no President has been elected {nor ever will be} "BY THE PEOPLE".

Guys both of your points are wrong. A case in point is that American overseas voters do not get a true vote unless there is a 3 percent margin (military fighters included). So in both the last election and the previous election there were 48million overseas votes (U. S. Census report 2000) that did not get accounted for. Only 900k made it to the county clerks offices in time to get an absentee ballot , and out of that only 600k (2008 results) made it back in time to be a part of the vote. Now, go and look at the number of people in California and you will see that 48 million votes represent 55 electoral votes. Basically a quarter of the electoral votes (symbolically) for who will be president were not even opened. Both parties are at fault for this as they both know and don't care. It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The truth about it is neither party cares about you the individual. When they spend money it is at the behest of Super PAC's, not you. When that money is saved it is always in the benefit of someone else, never the taxpayer.
Based off Jeffersons own writings no American should ever be taxed. The framework of the constitution itself states it clearly as well. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness does not include a caveat of taxation to make it happen. Liberty itself means to have control of your own actions. Most Americans give up that freedom in proxy and allow governance of their monies. They should not have a right to force me to pay Social Security in a forced contract and then take it away for other purposes. All of those coffers will be empty by the time any of us has come of age to receive it. All of the money will have been borrowed to pay off bonds the government spends on corporations to build things we do not agree to. And it will continue to happen in every single case you look at until we, as Americans, state to our representatives this path cannot be continued.

Anyone who requires special underwear to remember what he believes in has mental issues I do not want to deal with and nor should any intelligent rational human being!

Thank you for the clarification. I rest my case.

Donald Logan At approximately 7:50 p.m. EST on election day, 10 minutes before the polls closed in the largely Republican Florida panhandle, which is in the Central time zone, some television news networks declared that Gore had carried Florida's 25 electoral votes. They based this prediction substantially on exit polls. However, in the actual vote tally Bush began to take a wide lead early in Florida, and by 10 p.m. EST those networks had retracted that prediction and placed Florida back into the "undecided" column. At approximately 2:30 a.m., with some 85% of the votes counted in Florida and Bush leading Gore by more than 100,000 votes, the networks declared that Bush had carried Florida and therefore had been elected President. However, most of the remaining votes to be counted in Florida were located in three heavily Democratic counties—Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach—and as their votes were reported Gore began to gain on Bush. By 4:30 a.m., after all votes were counted, Gore had narrowed Bush's margin to just over 2,000 votes, and the networks retracted their predictions that Bush had won Florida and the presidency. Gore, who had privately conceded the election to Bush, withdrew his concession. The final result in Florida was slim enough to require a mandatory recount (by machine) under state law; Bush's lead had dwindled to about 300 votes by the time it was completed later that week. A count of overseas military ballots later boosted his margin to about 900 votes.

What some seem to "conveniently" forget, is that Bush asked Congress, and only ONE of the 535 Congress members voted against that war. Obama just decided on his own to attack Libya. As for the 2000 election, I lived in Tennessee, the state that Gore "represented" in Congress for a decade, we voted against him, 51-47! If he had won Tennessee's 11 electoral votes, he wouldn't have lost the election by 5.

It seems to me that President Bush was being chastised for things which you state he was accused of DOING. Pres. Obama was accused of what he had not done. His (Pres. Bush) blame for 911, was going to war against the wrong country. Or have you forgotten that it was Bin Laden and not Husain? Bush had the congress and the war department in his pockets. Obama had total opposition to his program, for better or for worse. How would you like to on the job for the first time and no one was listening to you but at the same time was berating you. I was not defending Pres. Obama I was just stating a point of view. BTW. You do not believe that the election was rigged, when it was only after Gore was shown to be in the lead that Bush decided that the votes needed to be "hand counted'? Remember also that no less than 12, if not 20 states had yet to be counted. How can an election be closed at 8:pm and a President be elected at 10:pm when every precint had not completed their talley. It is taking a whole month of "early" voting now to even consider a two man race. How many opportunities including a second full term would you compare to the short term that Obama has had; justifies the score card that he has been given?

Dekater, you accuse others of racism, and then use it yourself… Good textbook definition of HYPOCRISY

Are you saying that the female black Republicans also hated having a black President? There are blacks in the GOP as well as the DNC, and considering the ones on the right as "sellouts", or belittling THEIR choices is as racist as what you just accused the Republicans of. The reason I remain independent, is that BOTH houses are corrupt, and full of "wing nuts"…

Untrue, have you FORGOTTEN the way Bush was accused of "rigging" the 2000 elections, and then attacked that Spring of 2001 for the spyplane that went down in China. Then he was blamed for 911, despite the facts that he had only been in office about 7 months, and that the entire plan for that was set in motion during Clinton's 2nd term, while HE was bombing Iraq and simultaneously cutting the defense budget… You want to take an OBJECTIVE look at "bad press" sometime? Bush was called every name in the book, while Obama was HANDED a Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing more than being elected…

Thomas are YOU "too dumb" to realize that the above numbers are seriously SKEWED to mislead people? We all can see that YOU are too dumb to be civil to a person who politely stated an opinion!

Perrin, check the stats on dead soldiers during Bush, and then compare them to the deaths SINCE. As for "living under democracy", that's a LIE. Democracy means obeying the guidelines, and not usurping authority from the legal process. More "executive orders" in the past 3.5 years than in the previous 221 should give an indication as to how treasured "Democracy" is under the reign of King Obama…

Dekater, you comment about "staying on a message of hate", yet nobody mentioned race until you did… How does that figure in to your "logic"?

Richard is a perfect example of a Tea Bagging racist.

There is very few radical wing nuts that aren't racist. Thats not even hard to figure out. The republicansi n congress job was to get rid of the black man in the White House

That's all you hear is how much Obamas this big spender. What do the hypocrites from the right wing tea baggers have tos ay about these stats. Not much I'm sure.

Relate to me how this debt came into being, and 8 yrs later, thousands of youth dead or maimed, and actually, nothing accomplished.. AND, I'm not too generous about wars today when WE take on the expense of rebuilding what we destroyed (that's going on now) and that's not cheap. Suggestion from here is, find out before you speak. A company named Halliburton received a lot of that money… Do some reading about these items, then if you have a brain, you'll look me up and apologize, otherwise, end of story.

LOL! I think you are too dumb to realize every President has carried over debt to the successor at least going back to 1900. That still doesn't change the fact that Obama will have raised the deficit by $6.2 trillion in only one term.

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Ok, you have fun with that.

It wouldn't matter you only know one song…and its tired and used up. You cant fix stupid.

Thse guys have to stay on the message of lies and are convinced. You cant convince a person not to hate when he has embraced a reason he rationalizes to justify his opinion to hate. They have found their cause and are going to sacrafice this countrys future on the scaffold of indignity. But they will lose. America will never go back……Jim Crow has a new face……..and its YOU Richad….dick……God have mercy on the fools that beleive they are superior because of white skin.

Hey NORVIN, huh, are you too dumb to understand that soooo much of that debt was carried over from previous (W) administration.. They don't balance it before they leave for Texas..

Hey NORVIN, huh, are you too dumb to understand that soooo much of that debt was carried over from previous (W) administration.. They don't balance it before they leave for Texas..

Joe as drank the Kool aide…Rush, and the teaparty has distorted the conversation so much with lies and part truths…like the ones joe tells. Thy accept it for truth and can't tell you what Socialist means and didn't use it until these racist tagged it to this President. Wewill ever go back. America is destined to go ahead …Our best Days are ahead of us! All true Patriots who Love All Americans …its time to stand up and be counted.

Take noaccount for GOP's admitted non efforts to push the country forward in an effort to sabotage the economy to gain power. its treason, really but we are not making that a part of the conversation. The gop has not lifted a finger to help move us forward and in spite of that the President has moved us forward with all this rabid Gop false treasonist Patriotismand Christianity. its like most Whits Sunday Mornng Worship…..Liliy White….. God help you when jesus returns..

what you said. Most whites don't understand Black because they have no interaction (honest) loving with black folks. Black women raised most priveledged whites and now as usual they always turn when they get older to be accepted….SELLOUT

Oh really Joe? Guess what, every job I went to college for is now outsourced overseas! I was making nearly $20 an hour until 2002 when this happened. Then your hero Bush decided to say that jobs are our best export, supporting the crap!

@Thomas O'Hara: Giving people the rights you already have (marriage, equal pay, etc) is not taking away any of your rights. Get a clue!

Comparing a former 2-term President's total spending to one still in his first and possibly only term whose spending is not complete doesn't seem to be a fair comparison.

Thomas O'Hara

Oh dear you really are clueless aren't you little guy?
Do yourself a favor and take some political science and civics classes. The come retract your statements with you head down in shame.

It has everything to do with not only race…but Black culture. O'Hara hates the fact that the White House has a basketball court… instead of a putting green. Obama is a Constitutional scholar that is the direct result of LBJ's "Civil Liberties" policies…Thomas doesn't understand what it actually means to be white and in many circles he is respected more than any "Black" president could be. Even if he is naive and believes he isn't racist, that does not negate the fact that half of the Obama haters are. I have brother that calls Obama a "Dumb Nigger" I go to an all black church and my fellow "Black" Christians prefer honest racists over the closet kind….In my book there are 2 types of Obama haters…those who lie about their racism and those who don't.

Jack Boardman, He hasn't lost any. He' IS a racist.. The whole bunch of em are… They're are gonna be real mad again, this election year…

I believe that if we could double expose the bush/obama first year in office we will see that Pres. Obama had the most negative press, of all time. We accepted every request for spending to assist the war in Iraq and Iran, that Pres. Bush suggested even though it was shown there was no cause for alarm due to WMD. A situation that appeared almost from the beginning of the Bush administration. While practically only 60 days in office Pres. Obama was facing naysayers and pessimistic opinionators WHY?

Thomas O'Hara

Hahaha… what Civil Liberties are you referring to Tommy? And what about the Constitution champ?

The United States has a volunteer military service, so that people are not forced to serve in our armed forces because others have taken up that burden for them. It's not that any of our troops WANT to die – but it is vain to willingly enlist and hope for anything better than the men we are commemorating today. I may think the man in the Oval Office is a douche, but I love my country. I may not agree with the political reasons for the fights we get ourselves in, but I know that the US Army has done more overall for stemming bloodshed in the world than any other in history.

Just as with the "sleight of hand" that Clinton used, he appeared to have a better budget than he did. Bush's last budget proposal was $3.1 trillion, and Obama's last one was $3.8 trillion…

Be honest, Bush didn't do well, but Obama hasn't done any better…

This guy(Tyler) actually said he wishes "nothing more than to be one of those dead…". He wants to die because some asshole in Berlin….excuse me, I meant to say Tokyo…no, no, sorry, I really meant Washington D.C. claims to be "spreading democracy." I'm glad I never had a platoon leader as un-educated as you.

It is a crime. Along with what he, Obama, and congress did and are doing to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, etc.

facts

On what do you base this assumption? Not cleaning up the dubya admins mess yet..

Joe Piccirilli Your words: "… I understand that you are an obama ballwasher and you are in love with having a pres that is half black and that makes us a forward thinking country, but this guy was the wrong choice! Please. This is bullshit! Are you a czar in his gestapo or something?…"
You seem to be incapable of a civilized conversation. I've called you no names, or made any such stupid accusations towards you, as you have towards me. You've shown your true colors, not only to me, but to everyone else who might visit. I'll waste no more time with you…enjoy your willful ignorance.

Jack Boardman The facts are this…..Obama has spent more money than ALL the other presidents in history and the arrogant son of a bitch has the stones to ask for more money?! Is he fucking serious?! While he goes on exotic vacations and I am here wondering how I'm going to continue to pay my mortgage and put food on the table after my unemployment runs out! Meanwhile he is playing politics and screwing around with this oil pipeline from Canada that will create some 20,000 good paying jobs! Sinking money into failing "green energy" companies that wind up filing for bankruptcy. I understand that you are an obama ballwasher and you are in love with having a pres that is half black and that makes us a forward thinking country, but this guy was the wrong choice! Please. This is bullshit! Are you a czar in his gestapo or something?

Thomas O'Hara Be specific…exactly what civil liberties have you lost?

Joe Piccirilli Because you SAY it is? That doesn't work well on this site. Try facts.

Exactly. Nobody worried about the first $10 Trillion of debt, they didn't start counting until Obama took office and the country was in a free fall.

i cant stand the fucking idiot. dosnt mean im racist. the guy is a fake. he's cool if you like the life style of a north korean.

it has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with the constitution along with civil liberties.

Funny how ppl forget how much Bush put us in debt. Most ppl in Arizona should just admit they don't like black ppl. Its also funny when AZ ppl think I'm one of them till I tell them I'm married to a black women.

Joe Piccirilli Well, yea… manufacturing jobs have been outsourced to other countries. But that's because there are tax breaks existing now for companies sending their jobs overseas. What must we do to change this trend? We can end these tax breaks and other loopholes in the tax code that benefits these unlawful behavior.

But wait! Didn't President Obama just asked Congress to end these loopholes and tax breaks for companies taking jobs overseas? Why yes he did. And you know who is still putting up the fight of their lives to keep thinks as is? Congressional Republicans, that's who.

So yea, I agree with you that too many of our jobs are wrongly being sent overseas and this must be stopped. And by your silence, I'll take that you agree with the facts presented in my last comment to you about the amount of jobs created in the last 3 years as compared to those created under Bush. So we agree… somewhat.

Ezra Grant It seems that someone is listening to liberal media outlets who don't exactly tell the truth and are completely in love with obummer! I look at reality and the fact is that the industry that I used to work in is the first place you see economic recovery in because everything in manufacturing starts with tooling. Most of the tool shops in the northeast have closed up because our most favored nation to trade with happens to be china and so subsequently there are more and more companies farming that work out to china. That is when there is the actual need for new tooling which is rarer than ever! Trust me, we are far from even starting an economic recovery! Clinton started all this shit with NAFTA and granting most favored trade nation status to china when he pimped out the white house!

Joe Piccirilli Again, I can tell you're very passionate about what you're saying, except you're just repeating Fox News misinformation. The $700 billion economic stimulus bill not only helped stop the slide Bush left, it paved the way for all the 22 months of consecutive job creation we've been seeing.

Did you know that more jobs have already been created over the last 3 years, than were created in the entire 8 years bush held office? That's a FACT, not an opinion, and the Stimulus started it all.

Ezra Grant Let's see. 700 billion on economic jobs creation bill and what did it create? 3 Jobs? Maybe? Hmmmmm. Putting the kybosh on an oil pipeline that would have created THOUSANDS of good high paying jobs in the machine tool industry (for political reasons I might add) and you would be sick to your stomach if you had any idea just how much manufacturing work has gone out of the country in the last ten years. Not obummers fault but he hasn't done a DAMN thing to help bring those jobs back! Let's raise taxes on the wealthy Americans. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those the people who own businesses that might hire folks?

Joe Piccirilli LOL. Well, I would trust you, but you are the one saying President Obama "will go down in history as the worst president in US History," and you have no facts to back that up. So, nah, I can't trust you. Sorry… 🙂

Ezra Grant Trust me when I tell you, none of those 95% live in Rhode Island.

Joe Piccirilli If you're unemployed AND have a property AND paying more in taxes AFTER 95% of Americans got a TAX CUT, then I'll fire your Tax adviser if I were you.

Hmmmm. Property, excise and I don't know if you've ever collected unemployment benefits, but you still pay taxes on them. Duh!

Joe Piccirilli Joe, sorry you're out of work, but how are your taxes going up if you're unemployed? Interesting…!

All I know is the economy is doing worse, I'm out of work and believe it or not, MY FUCKING TAXES ARE GOING UP! Let's argue about those facts!

Joe Piccirilli u dont know how facts work

That's just it. Not wishful thinking. It's a fact!

LOL. Wishful thinking does not make anything a fact.

Well, you do know that Bush did not include the price of the both wars in any budget, and you do know that he did not include the trillions in tax cuts for the rich in any budget, and you do know that Bush did not include the cost of his medicare part D plan on the budget. And, I'm sure you know that the first year Obama took office, he included all these unpaid Bush policies in his budget, thus, including the national debt. I know you know this, don't you?

ok then if bush spent SOOO much more, how did the national debt, under osama, lol er I mean obama go from 10 trillion to 16 trillion, and the arrogant prick has the balls to ask for more of our money.

Not very well put together or accurate. Lets go back as far as Clinton- where the financial bull begins http://www.state-of-the-nation.com/2610/true-bill-clinton-created-surplus-lot-expenses-books/.

Ebony Barton Well…yeah! FACTS have a LIBERAL bias.

C'mon jack you know facts aren't real the GOP, lol. They don't care what the numbers say, they still find something wrong with Obama.

The figures are there, the sources are there…"W" really effed us up.

Obama will go down as the WORST president in US history!

I'm just saying…..

Perrin Rynning For what it is worth, I am grateful for your thoughtfulness, and pleasantly surprised. Most people against Bush's wars are just anti military and only have angry things to say. I wish war were less risky, I have a lot of personal reason too. Almost all of the American casualties in the Middle East have come from after the initial fight, so getting in and getting out would have been militarily sound. However, historically, countries that the US battled and then stayed afterwards (Japan, Korea, Germany etc) have done significantly better than countries that we left from.

Tyler Creasman For what it is worth, I would prefer that you were one of those *living* under a Commander in Chief who wants to spread democracy. I intended my comment as an indictment against throwing American lives away in grandiose gestures, as opposed to using strategies and tactics that might not have made good news-copy but got the job done with less risk.

Perrin Rynning… all that is buried under all the Liberty and Freedom brought to a world with no where else to turn for salvation. The thought that we should sit in our place as the most powerful nation on earth and not help countries that are oppressed because it would cost the lives of a few troops? I am on track to commission as a LT in the US Army and I wish nothing more than to be one of those dead under a Commander and Chief who wants to spread democracy

Oh and Obama voted yes on TARP, Medicare drug benefit (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=9043&can_id=9490)..and Obama voted yes on many of the items Bush has listed. Who's fact checking now bitches? http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

Funny how another 700 billion was added under Obama. Too bad the author refuses to show how he calculated Bush's debt; instead just refers to the CBO. CBO only calculates what you put in. Show us some math.

Likely buried under the figures of all the bombs that Bush I dropped in "Desert Shield" and certainly blown away by the figures of the American dead by Bush II's orders.

Harry Santos Facts? Elements of the historical record, like these?
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=250551&kaid=127&subid=305
Three Republican administrations compared to one Democratic one. Which one had unemployment dropping the most and STAYING low?

"Well… math, y'know… it's hard work!"
I knew that Dubya was the most disastrous president in living memory, but it's cold comfort knowing that there is "cough" unimpeachable proof.

2017 Got Me?

Nice job EZ, the real truth is seldom heard.

Harry Santos So… what are the facts… can you provide them?

you're welcome.

http://www.NPR.org/2011/01/25/133211507/the-weekly-standard-Obama-vs-Bush-on-dept

You jokers believe these bogus ass numbers. Here is NPR (Liberal as hell) and still more honest then this propaganda.

I always knew BUSH spent us into poverty and almost succeeded in destroying the UNITED STATES… what he attempted to do to the U.S.A. should be a crime..

Where are the figures on all of the bombs that Clinton dropped on Iraq during his second term?

Thanks ezKool
(';')

Aunt tina also knows i'm right but will never admit it !

thank you micah .

Micah, never side with a 3rd cousin over a great Aunt. ( besides, I had the impression you cared about your environment and air quality, food saftey and things like that.)

HARRY, YOU JUST PROVED MY CASE.

it is great to see you two going at it…. even though Harry is always right! 😉

i guess facts dont count with you dems …these are projections not real spending and facts are that obama has spent more than any other president in his 1st 945 days .

HERE'S YOUR ANSWER – HARRY.

Facts are obviously not that important in political discourse.

Just a question: The deficit was $319 billion in 2005? Or should it read 2008?
“All in all, George Bush took an actual sur plus of $127 billion in 2001, and turned it into a deficit of $319 bil lion in 2005.”

Wow this is so biased its not even funny. Bush was definitely a trud, but this is so blind it almost dangerous.

I like how “Defense” is lumped in with the wars, and how they give Bush credit for passing TARP when it has Obama’s signature on the bill.

And aren’t we in ANOTHER war right now.. oh wait, its not a war if you call it something else and you don’t get credit for continuing someone else’s war when you said you would stop it.

And is he seriously predicting the next 6 years of spending decisions.. LOL, Bush was an asshole, but come on.

Exactly!

Read the article…

1.44 is the estimate assuming Obama is re-elected and stays in office till 2017.

In addition, the article discusses new policies. Obama created ‘Obama care’ therefore he gets the cost/benifit. Bush created the Iraq and afganistan wars therefore he gets the costs. Even though it will be Obama that ends them, Obama won’t get credit for the cost reduction in this graph.

As far as the health spending, it is currently estimated to MAKE almost a quarter trillion in it’s first 10 years. Obama care is a net revenue producer over prior policies. So I agree, where did the 187 billion in costs come from?

umm, really? so the fact that obama has continued the wars in Iraq and even got a surge in Afghanistan are not a part of his spending? Where in the world did this stimulus spending number come from? And this health reform only costing 152 billion? Who are the whack jobs that came up with this chart? How about we compare apples to apples? But going by these numbers, $5 trillion over 8 yrs vs. 1.44 in 2 yrs? I’ll take 5 in 8 any day. Do the math.